JoAnne: It bothers me a little that I'm not obsessed with this drama like you two. I like it a lot, I completely agree with your estimation of the quality of every aspect, and it's a thoroughly enjoyable, memorable experience - especially due to the additional commentary with which we're blessed - but I don't feel it in my gut the way you do. The way I do for some of the characters in that OTHER drama...you know the one. I feel sad about this.
Eleanor: That's okay Jo. You don't have to adore it quite like we do. Your commentary and insight makes this a wonderful experience to comment here together and that's more than enough for me. And maybe you will love it more later, or not, and that's okay. And yes, Kakashi, I imagine he has awful and terrible nightmares. You could always snuggle up to him and comfort him when he has them though. I'm sure he'd appreciate it.
I hope she gets walled up alive in some secret chamber. No, wait. We don't know what her deal is, yet. I take it back.
Nah, I'm okay with walling her up alive somewhere. Even if we don't know her story yet, she seems like she's up to no good. Mei Chang Su doesn't really like her, and that's enough for me. That purple outfit though, stunning!
Get your mind out of the gutter, Yu.
Jo, I can't stop laughing.
Banruo is in fact still in the house, still going through boxes ... currently one that contains wooden trinkets. Oh! those are Fei Liu's wooden figures he played with before! She seems annoyed and closes the box roughly. When she turns around, there is Fei Liu staring angrily at her from behind the shelf and she drops the box with a scream.
I hope he leaves rotten mandarins in all your cupboards. No matter what your back story is, sneaking through people's stuff is wrong.
Sneaksy Banruo! I would definitely NOT want to get on Fei Liu's bad side. I also hope he leaves rotten mandarins all over her house and in her clothing.
Prince Yu promises to find new - and as he adds, 'interesting' - toys, but Fei Liu just hates everything.
Since nothing ever happens for no reason in this drama, I assume that having another reason to hate Banruo will be important for future Fei Lui action. I even wonder if the fact that the toy is an eagle is significant, honestly.
I can't remember if it is or not, but yeah, if Fei Liu doesn't like you, I think it's a pretty done deal that we don't have to like that person. I'm also really annoyed that she isn't more apologetic. Does she not get that (a) Mei Chang Su is pretty powerful and (b) you don't piss off Fei Liu. You just don't. *pats his head and gives him a nice mandarin*
Meng the worried, scolding mother. I love it!
How many back doors and secret entrances does Su have in this house?! Knowing that Hu Ge and Chen Long are BFFs in RL makes this scene just even better. So cute! And Yujin, he's just so cute!
Sometimes it's embarrassing to like you, Meng. Step up your game!
Haha. He's like a giant puppy.
The way they just look down and close their eyes...you have the gift of the gif, my friend.
Isn't there some sort of award that we can get for Kakashi, like world's best giffer? Poor Meng Zhi, he is a little slow on the uptake sometimes. But we still love him.
Meng's topknot is too tight, I think.
And now my heart hurts. Jingyan. I totally get why they can't tell him, but still, my heart hurts.
Meng, please. Stand there. Be strong. Be stalwart. Just, you know...do it with your mouth shut. Stoic! Be stoic!
What is it about this show! Every time I start thinking about Lin Shu/Su Zhe and Jingyan, my eyes start welling up with tears. My heart. My heart.
He just told them that emotion leads to mistakes, though.
Oh Su Zhe. Nihuang, stay and hug him. He needs a hug. I know he just said all that stuff about emotions, but he needs a hug. He really does.
I fail to see how the two are mutually exclusive, Banruo. Just because you're right doesn't mean I'm going to ignore your MASSIVE leap there.
She's impulsive that one. She doesn't think things through enough and it's bound to get her into trouble at some point. Especially if she's trying to outwit Su, help Prince Yu, and perhaps follow through with her own agenda.
Did he just fucking boop her nose? Or maybe he was confirming the size of the royal wee(nie), perhaps?
I think he wants to touch her. Like a lot. And he's pretending he doesn't.
Episode 4). He has too, of course - and he tells her about Auntie Liyang's scandalous love affair with said prince. But as soon as the hostage prince left, the Grand Princess married Xie Yu - a low ranking officer at the time. That was the beginning of his rise to power.
And why, exactly, was that allowed to happen? I mean, think about it. She was the Grand Princess, and he was a low-ranking official. He rapes her. Instead of suddenly posting him to Outer Mongolia where he conveniently gets eaten by a tiger, they reward him by allowing him to marry up. #IDunGeddit
I think it's very much the "defile the woman, then marry her" scheme that is still allowed in many parts of the world today. It's how men can get women they want, who don't want them. It's vile and barbaric and I have zero tolerance for it. And that whole, "damaged goods". Plus, he had support from other people in the palace. They were all scheming way back then to get Xie Yu into having more power.
They need to find Xie Yu's weakness, Banruo says. There's a trader from Southern Chu that has a few interesting things to say... and she whispers into the Prince's ear ... until he jerks back and exclaims "Xiao Jingrui??". Oh no... Jingrui's secret heritage is going to be revealed!
And again: PLEASE. The two families live together like blood and Jingrui spends half his time in the pugilist world because he's half pugilist, but his mother is the Grand Princess and his father was a court official, so, not pugilist - not to mention that he's the older brother, and yet it's his younger brother that is the acknowledged heir to the Ning fortune, whatever that might be...I think Jingrui's story is known. Don't just conveniently pop it out like it's a secret all of a sudden, show.
I think that only a few people "know" for sure. I think the show is also just reminding us because we might have forgotten what happened in episode 4 - seeing as this show likes to give us a bazillion pieces of information. So maybe not so much secret as reminder?
And I say to you, my brothers and sisters, buh-LIEVE in the Jing! Buh-LIEVE in the Jing, and rise! Rise, I tell you! For the Jing is good, and he can heal what ails you.
First image that popped into my head was Mushu, the dragon voiced by Eddie Murphy, in Mulan, and him announcing what you just typed.
Do they now understand why Mei Changsu cannot reveal who he is? "I am someone who has crawled out of hell, poison has seeped deep into my bones. Let me be the one to do insidious and vicious deeds. I must preserve Jingyan's heart." TT____________TT
I mean, it's not like you're hurting kittens, Mei Changsu. Not that you're above that...sigh. I miss Disguiser.
He might hurt some kittens though and it pains him. He's just trying to protect everyone. It's who Lin Shu is. moonlil was telling me that in the book, Jingyan often took the blame for Lin Shu's escapades etc. and now Lin Shu is trying to shield Jingyan from making choices that will pain him.
In my head I thought, oh wow, Jing's mom's last name is the same as his first name, his name is Jing Jing. I should go to bed.
LOL Prince Jing's name is Xiao Jingyan. And yes, don't marry Jingyan!
A figure walks through a passage ... this is not Mei Changsu, judging by the regal robes! No, Mei Changsu lies dreaming, but it's nightmares that plague him, of death and destruction, all dead, all dead... Fei Liu shakes him awake, calling his name. Someone is knocking!
You know when you have that dream, the one where you're falling, and you jerk awake just a split second before you're going to hit bottom? I always heard that if you actually do hit the ground in your dream, you wake up dead. I mean, you die. In real life. I wonder how anyone ever knew that to say it though? Because anyone who experienced it, I mean - they're dead now, right? So how'd they tell anybody? In all the ghost stories I ever read or heard, no ghost ever said 'I fell downnnnnnnnn and then woke up deaaaaaad, whooooooooo'
Hahahahaha, I hate those falling dreams! That looks like Jingyan walking down a hallway. How is it that I can even tell from a partial back shot that it's Wang Kai? o.O
Mei Changsu collects himself (it's horrible to see him so rattled) and pushes aside some book shelves ... Prince Jing is standing behind them. It's an ungodly hour, but Mei Changsu does not seem angry or surprised. Prince Jing has come to inform him that he will be out of town for three days, per orders of his father. But he has come because of that envoy from Southern Chu, his mother has told him about. It'll be easy to avoid having him married off, Su assures him, they just need to make sure that Prince Jing's birth date does not match the Princess'.
Doesn't that sort of seem like it's out of their hands, though? The two facts would be known already, and it's not like they can be changed.
Maybe Su can mess with her horoscope? Or he already knows it? And don't worry, Jingyan, you can just marry me. I promise I'll take good care of you.
What, like picking the ugly girl to transform into Miss America?
Oh Jingyan, don't be so hard on yourself. Be who Su knows you can be!
I think my sense of disconnect is entirely related to Mei Changsu's wig. I hate it like you can't even imagine. I have no idea why, but I suspect it's related to the weird sideburns. Jing has them, too, though, and I don't feel the same intensity. The hairlines are so Planet of the Apes. I know! I'm so sorry! This is probably too mean to leave in. I'm so tired...I'll re-read this tomorrow. What do you guys think?
I know you're not the only person who feels that way. The wigs have never bothered me at all. We get to see their beautiful foreheads so much more this way. Oh Lin Shu and Jingyan. My heart. It just hurts. Stupid evil plotting that messed up this lovely bromance!
Lil cutie, trying to use his brain
He is adorabubble.
Talk about irritating sideburns, Gao Zhan takes the cake. Seriously though, what is with my hair hang up?
All I can think now is: it must take an awful lot of effort to make sure that Gao Zhan's sideburns stay sleek and carefully unknotted. So much work! But then, I quit worrying about that and just stare lovingly at the gorgeousness that is Prince Jing. Seriously. Hearts. Coming. Out. Of. My. Eyes.
I'm going to love it to pieces if she turns out to be a secret good guy, because she is so straightforwardly not one for us, so far.
These two. It's like they pretend there's only advising going on.
I do too, side-burns that look like hairy little tails aside.
They do look like tails! Little rat tails. Is that mean of me?
He didn't handle that too badly, did he? Okay Meng, I can claim you in public again.
Kakashi, where is the gif of Prince Jing smiling? (JK it's okay, you don't have to). Haha. I'm just being silly. It's not like I don't already have a million Wang Kai smiling gifs stored on my phone...
CommentsThe most important scene in this episode to me is when Meng (awwwww, dummy), Nihuang and Mei Changsu discuss Prince Jing. It's not the first time that Mei Changsu speaks of sinning in order to keep Jingyan pure. I remember we had a brief discussion about the fact that you are just as guilty of a crime if your adviser commits it for you - which is of course true, but I guess ONLY if you are the one who tells the adviser to do it or you know of something really bad he is going to do and do not stop the person. In the case of Mei Changsu, he does not plan to tell Jingyan anything, though. His plan is to just pull the strings in the background until Jing ascends to the throne.
I think being guilty and being responsible might be two different things, and that while he might not be guilty of the crimes, he'd be responsible for them, in at least a karmic sense. And it's splitting hairs, really, anyway, because Jing knows Mei Changsu believes he has a right to do something bad to bring about something good. He's not wrong about that. He's wrong about the level of bad, maybe, but he's not wrong about the idea. So he does know. Not knowing the details in advance doesn't make him innocent.
I think it's also about pain. He wants to spare Jingyan the pain of making the decision. And I think there are things that Jingyan might never know that Su Zhe did and so he can't suffer from that pain of knowing what was done, whether or not he is in some sense responsible for the fallout. In some ways, we are all guilty of things that the people around us have done. If we have a smartphone, we are guilty of possibly allowing a child to dig through toxic metals with a spoon so we can have a piece of technology. Or we might benefit from slave labour or criminal activity in the production of a product or economic status because of the country we live in. Maybe that's a weird tangent, but it's something I think about. How much am I guilty of when I didn't actually make someone do something terrible, yet I am still buying this smartphone that I know might have a shady background because of how precious metals are mined. It gets really tricky to philosophize about guilt and culpability. Sorry if that was a weird tangent. For me, it's more about sparing him pain. Su Zhe knows how Jingyan feels about Lin Shu, and that Jingyan would never allow Lin Shu to be hurt. It's about more than guilt or doing bad things, it's about not letting Jingyan hurt more than he already is. And if Jingyan knows who Lin Shu is and what he's gone through, there's no way in hell Jingyan, that stubborn water buffalo, will sit still for a minute and do nothing about it.
That's exactly why Jingyan is so suspicious of him, of course - he is very smart and he quite clearly realizes that Mei Changsu does a lot of things behind his back, potentially manipulating him. And he does not strike me as a guy who likes to be manipulated!
And yet he's allowing it to happen.
I think Jingyan is unsure of what exactly he wants. I think he's going with his gut here. And even though he's suspicious, he also trusts Mei Changsu implicitly.
Several people are starting to ask questions about Mei Changsu's intentions now. That makes me very uneasy. I really wonder how long he can keep fooling everybody like he is right now. Not forever, that much is clear!
My theory: Mei Changsu is himself an imposter, carefully coached by the Beast - the REAL Lin Shu.
LOL. Forget the politics. I'm just going to look at Prince Jing and be happy.