JoAnne: I was just thinking how this was actually one of the most exciting episodes for me of the whole series -I would actually love an entire drama about Wang Man Chun.
Eleanor: Ooh yes! She is such an interesting and fascinating character! And it certainly ups the ante to have her roaming around about to cause havoc.
I'm torn because I believe that she believes this, but I don't think that the facts support the evidence. Yes, she's hurt that they didn't share, when she supports the same cause. But she chose family (and for them to eventually also choose family) over cause - and every thing she ever did with Ming Tai (or Ming Lou) proves that what she wanted was for them to walk any path BUT this - so I question her belief that she wanted to be doing what they're doing.
I don't know. We see in her other actions supporting the Communists that she's aching to do something more. I think she chose family because that was a role more readily available to her. Thinking about the time frame and social constraints on women, it wasn't as easy to become any sort of freedom fighter as a woman. I know the drama has several female characters doing just that, but I think that's part of the appeal of a resistance movement, it allows some of the structure of formalised societal roles to break down and make way for newer things. Perhaps if they had trusted her, and seen her as not just a motherly figure, she might have been selfish enough to not choose family. Though it's not selfish per se, but she did her societal duty first before a patriotic one, but at the same time, supporting her family allowed the men to go and be freedom fighters as well. It's messy I think.
Me too, but I'm distracted because Ming Tai's posture throughout this episode has been terrible. I get it, he slouches like a teenager. But straighten up!
Maybe this episode should be called "lost chances". Here we have the opposite to Ming Jing - Uncle Li chose his country over his family and was therefore unable to be there for his wife's funeral, and he wasn't able to raise Ming Tai. That's a lot of lost, precious time that no one can ever really have back. We all must live with the choices we make though.
I was torn again. On the one hand, it's clear that Li loves his son and it's clear that Ming Tai acknowledges that and is grateful to finally know his father and that he accepts his father's thinking. On the other - Li never looked for the kid, but instead just hoped he found a better family? I mean, he basically said 'I know, but I was real busy with this important stuff so I took a gamble that he'd end up with good people.' We know he did 'look' in the sense of wanting to know what happened to the kid - but he didn't actually LOOK? Wow.
Isn't this what could have happened if Ming Jing had chosen country over family? I really like the juxtaposition. It's really interesting that family duty, which is super important, for Uncle Li, country is first. You can see that this pains Ming Tai, even if he can intellectually understand it, there is so much of a sense of abandonment. It's such a difficult thing.
I am glad that they found each other and that they are these kind of people. I mean, this little part of the story, it's ending well here, with love and acceptance. But I'm still kind of boggled at Li's decision. I will just tell myself that he did some preliminary investigating and learned that the family his wife saved took the child, and that he deliberately avoided finding out who that family was because he knew he had to go off and do his thing, and it seemed likely that the family would do well by his son. But why couldn't he have confirmed all that and still not stepped forward? That just seems WRONG.
Yeah, I don't like it much either. Family always comes first in my book. But I am glad that they did get this reunion and some time together.
Ming Lou is actually the scariest person in this drama.
He is super crazy scary. I wish Jin Dong had won more awards for his performance in this. He is amazing as Ming Lou.
Anyway, he expects much more scrutiny from Tengtian Feng Zhen. They must be suuuuper careful. She must act like Ming Tai is dead, especially in front of Auntie Gui. Currently leaderless, Ming Lou considers her highly dangerous. Hm, she's kinda like a ronin? The plan is to leave her in the house and have her pass on "news" about the peaceful lives of the Mings. And right (back) into playacting they go when Ming Jing chases Big Bro out of the house after slapping him. Haha, she clearly enjoyed that.
We all enjoyed that. I think Ah Cheng enjoyed that, too.
Ouch! She has a mean slap!
She's scary but because she follows her emotions she is predictable to a certain extent. Ming Lou is scarier to me because he can do anything no matter how he feels.
Yup. I would definitely never want to be enemies with either, but especially not Ming Lou.
I mean, it's so basic. How could they not have anticipated that?
Maybe they were hoping people were incompetent? Perhaps they shock of seeing Ah Cheng shoot Ming Tai, burying a body with enough witnesses was deemed enough. It's fairly convincing, no? But I guess if one is very thorough, one would go and check the grave to make sure.
I love how Auntie Gui is always in the background just goggled-eyed at everything that happens. Also loved the very subtle 'ok, good job' look Ah Cheng gave Big Sis. *tiny tiny ship, far out at sea*
This episode is low on Ah Cheng so far *stamps foot* I need MOAR! ;)
Who knew? Bugs can feel. The cockroach really did seem to care for his woman.
I'm kind of enjoying unhinged Manchun quite a bit.
Yes, I thought this scene was very effective. But I mean, come on - it's hours later. Where are the police and the morgue to collect the body? Things should be pungent, that was a lot of blood...
Haha. Ah Cheng jumping is hilarious. It was a very good scene.
Ah, Ming Lou. This war has made you something really sharp and precise. I wonder if you would have reached this potential during peace?
An interesting thought. No doubt, even in times of peace one can experience trials that hone one's skill though. But yes, Ming Lou is particularly well-suited to all of this.
CommentsWe got a lot of stellar performances in this episode, I'm quite impressed! The probably biggest surprise was Liang, though... the actor's name is Yue Yang (he'll be in Candle in the Tomb!!) and he seems to be younger than me, which makes me wonder about his skin regimen, but anyway! He was excellent. His utter dispair was so well done I almost climbed into my computer to give him a hug.
Really, he's that young? I mean, I'm 15+ years older than you, and I'd have thought he was my age.
Make-up? I've seen some photos of him recently on Weibo where he's shooting for a show and he looks muuuuuuuuuch younger.
Liu Min Tao deserves a special mention as well (she can be a bit shrill in this role, but I love to watch her), those conflicting emotions over the different duties and being lied to were utterly believable. I really felt for her.
I agree, but I don't actually like her all that much. I respect her, she's walked a difficult path alone - but she's so abrasively LOUD and she can't control her temper.
She is an excellent actress and I think plays the part well.
And Manchun/Wang Ou! Gorgeous and great. I hope she is cast in many more shows that I will watch. She is probably one of the best female villains I know. I'm afraid. I'm very afraid! Only a few episodes to go and it is unclear who will live and who will die.
She's so good at this role, I fear I won't like her in a nice person role. I did try Ode to Joy but it wasn't pulling me in.
She really does play a villain so well! It might be a little jarring for her to play a nice person. I can't remember what her next project is. That would have been awesome though if she had been in Ode to Joy.
Ha, I very strangely mixed up Liu Tao and Wang Ou, remembering Wang Ou in the place where Liu Tao had been.