JoAnne: He makes a whiplash u-turn in behavior here and starts to lose me a little bit... but then we get a straight on view of his face again and I waver. I waver hard. I'm not ashamed to admit it.
Lovesick puppy... what appeals, to me, is something that always does, on paper: those few precious ones who are debauched and jaded, completely disenfranchised, yet who are in fact hiding the purest and most idealistic of hearts. Something touches them and they return to their most innocent beginnings with a devotion that stuns. I'm watching this and thinking that at some point soon, 2P will die nobly in some manner directly related to his love for Si Yen, and I'm swooning.
I love the Kunlun Kids. They are such a family to each other! I wasn't surprised that Si Yen stepped in but I was really pleased by Ninth's interference, too. That poor guy has been through the wringer but he still sees what is right and what is wrong.
I bet it has something to do with clouds.
Treasure man says its power depends on the power of the wielder - and Si Yin promises not to give it to someone powerful and evil. Let's see....
Oh, cool! Anyway, Li Jing absolutely loves being wounded. Man, he is SO dramatic about everything. Because he mopes so prettily about not seeing her often enough, she gives him a talisman handkerchief with which he can freely come to and go from Kunlun Mountain.
She says she isn't interested, but she's interested.
This was pretty funny - but I have a feeling about this girl, and I wouldn't wish her on Senior for a minute. He's a decent guy and he deserves a good woman. I don't think she is one.
I will skin her.
She's what gives a fox a bad name.
Shifu, you snooze you lose. Just sayin'...
Dammit. But that's coming, right?
And pinch her and trip her and then push her, right off the mountain.
But that was gross of him despite looking like... wow, damn. He is so handsome. What was I saying?
All of my hopes for this man, dashed. He is weak. He's no shining idealist hiding behind the trappings of a dilettante...he is in fact just a dilettante. I still think he'll probably sacrifice himself somehow at the end, but he isn't ever going to be a person she can truly rely on for anything but a grand gesture. I'm sad.
I knew she liked him a little bit, but that kind of came out of left field for me.
Oh that's a twist I didn't pick up on. I thought he was upset because of Si Yin and 2P, not Si Yin and Xuan Nu. Not that he approved, but just because he knew that 2P was there because of 'love' for Si Yin, and so he was worried that she'd be hurt by his lack of fidelity. And also, that explains why he insisted so hard that he was totally not into Xuan Nu, no way, no how. Awww, Senior.
It's true that at this point, he could have very well shipped 2P and Si Yin, but in the next episode, the other disciples all talk about Si Yin's love for Xuan Nu.
CommentsWow, I don't know what to say. Bravo, idiot Prince, for making Si Yin like you, really like you and then breaking her heart? Why, WHY could you not wait for her?
Weak, impulsive, self-indulgent, thoughtless...ughhhh, I 'm so disappointed in him. I should have known when he went from 'nope, this can't be' to 'I'll give up everything for you!' on a moment's notice. It doesn't help that he's disappointed in himself, either, because I can tell it won't stop him from making the same mistake in the future, either. This is what he is. He doesn't have staying power. I believe he loves her, in a sense, but it won't keep him from betraying her over and over again. They would have a miserable life together.
I think it was a mixture of (hidden) low self-esteem, a tendency to over-dramatize and jealousy. Yes, Xuan Nu manipulated him, but only a tiny little bit. He was the one inviting her in as "substitute", he was the one who saw her change before him and went for it nonetheless. He did this consciously and willingly and that is why I do not feel sorry for him. Oh, it's clear he will regret this all his (long) life, but nope, not sorry for him.
Yeah, I think we're in agreement on this.
It was very well done that the drama gave us Si Yin finally clearly expressing her affections for this boisterous guy at the very end, when he has already betrayed her. She was really serious about it, maybe even more serious than him - she wouldn't have written to her brother otherwise. We indeed saw from their very first meeting that she was attracted to him and we saw that she even enjoyed his pushy advances, despite her outward repeated rebuttals.
He's not an evil person (yet, anyway) and he's beautiful and ardent. He's helped her and saved the life of her friend. It would be hard for anyone to resist him, really, but only in the short term. It only takes time to show his weakness.
But what about Master, you might say. Well, let's not fool ourselves. He is a Taoist Master, she is his pupil. It is absolutely clear that they share a tremendous amount of admiration for each other. We can call it love, but this is not the kind of love 2nd Prince is all about (yum). The love between a Master and a Student is what we call platonic, in the old sense of the term - it has to be. For the Greek scholars around Plato, there were two different kinds of love (and I'm sure it is not different for Taoists). "Vulgar Eros" signifies material attraction towards a body for physical pleasure and reproduction. "Divine Eros" on the other hand directs one's attention to spiritual things and the divine. The 1st is fun, but the 2nd is what matters. There is a reason this dude runs into seclusion all the time. Ridding yourself of any desire is one of the goals of asceticism.
So you agree that he feels desire, at least. I don't think Si Yin feels desire for Master, exactly, but I do think he feels that for her, and spends a lot of energy controlling it. I assumed that there'd be an end to that at some point way down the road.
It's complicated, I guess :) Yes, I do think he feels desire, but he is far too advanced a human being to even let that register. He is so correct, I never get the feeling that their relationship is improper. But it's right there at the brink of being. I also agree that she's pretty much oblivious to what she does to this man with her hugs and cuddles.
I think that the love Si Yin feels for Mo Yuan does not negate the love she was ready to share with 2nd Prince. However, our Prince is right: the 2nd type of love is much, much stronger than the 1st. He would of course have lost.
She admires and respects Mo Yuan. As time went on, any respect or admiration she felt for 2P would be tarnished by his own behavior, and so yes, he'd lose - but it would really be his own fault. Plus, I think he's the kind of guy who couldn't stand for her to compartmentalize things. I think she could love/admire her Shifu and still be a loyal partner to 2P, but 2P isn't the kind of man who could understand that and he would always suspect her of being faithless. It would end in misery, if not tragedy.